Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

No problem, Ilnezar! Just relax and you’ll pick it up.

Do you need help?

yes and no

If you have any questions, this is the place.

7:22 PM

And if you just wanna chill, this is also the place

#lounge would be the place to chill.

I stand corrected

My tulpa is thriving, and we've got all the basics down, but we're struggling with a few things

What things?

well mostly she wants to start switching so that i can start properly working the wonderland. our working theory is that if i just switch out of the body i'll have an easier time with the wonderland one way or another. the theory is, if i get dropped into the wonderland i'll flail around for a while, but then i'll learn to move around it. it's already formulated, but i can't seem to walk through it

I see. I do not believe in parallel processing, so I can offer no help.

that's not the issue. when i try to move through the wonderland, it's like i'm trying to walk into a painting

7:28 PM

i'm trying to walk through a two dimensional space rather than a threee

Yes, and I do not think you can do that while switched and the tulpa focusing on something else.

Who says the tulpa has to be doing something else? you can "switch" out of the body and just leave it empty for a time. not for terribly long, given thirst restraints, but as a rule the body can look after itself

Switching sort of implies that you are switching with the tulpa.

there isn't a technical term for what i'm implying or i'd use it

Otherwise, I do believe you just want help immersing yourself into wonderland with your tulpa, yes?

basically yes

I do apologize, but it was the phrasing that confused me, as I am used to "switching" meaning something in particular. I would only suggest practice.

Not at all, no need to apologize. i've just read a couple pieces where they referenced switching without the tulpa or anything taking over

I see. I do not believe that is the common use of the term, and when used in this way, I do think it needs to be made extra clear.

fair enough. it probably needs its own term

7:40 PM

So, how do i go about not ruffling any feathers here? If you don't mind me asking

7:41 PM

how do i "show ourselves to the world," as it were

I am unsure what you are asking.

how do i say hi, and how do i not piss anyone off

You say hello by saying hello. Beyond that, this place tends to be more of the mind that claims made can be analyzed and criticized - that nobody is immune from this.

Have you read the rules, yet?

also, while it's possible to switch directly into the wonderland without having much practice of actually immersing yourself in it, it's difficult to the point of inadivisable, especially if you're not practiced in dissociating

yes

Generally, what does upset people is trying to imply some unapproachable belief where that criticism is forbidden.

so I'd recommend just working on the wonderland through visualization, possibly in trance states such as through meditation (edited)

As for the wonderland, to answer that - it is imagination. "Switching out" and interacting with your tulpa is roughly equivalent to having an intense daydreaming session.

She basically wants me to "Come home" to the wonderland, and i can't think of any true way to do that than "switching." As far as I'm aware there isn't a term for it that involves not filling the body with another entity

Are you trying to create a wonderland?

No, the wonderland is already in place

7:49 PM

she just wants me to "physically" be there

Ahh. The best suggestion I can give you is to lay down before bed and meditate. Try to push for a lucid state which can help.

we'll give it a whirl, but the idea is unsatisfactory for her

Mm. It's a good crutch, at least.

7:53 PM

Just don't make sure to fall asleep.

7:53 PM

Well, make sure to not fall asleep.

while meditating, you mean?

7:54 PM

I'm assuming you were referring to lucid dreaming

yeah like, laying down while meditating might not be the best way not to fall asleep for many.

try sitting up, at least.

Okay, i'm not sure if you're being rude or offering advice.

err, sorry, how would that be rude? I was saying, that could be better than lying down. No one was referring to lucid dreaming.

then i'm an idiot, and that's fine. i'm sorry

7:59 PM

I'm also sorry for making things awkward. please continue like i wasn't here

@Talin Quite honestly, it sounds like that means to learn how to impose (deliberately experience controlled hallucinations), and then spend time imposing the daydreamed wonderland.

I wanna learn to impose soon

8:00 PM

I think it would help me visualize Ikari more

Not be rude, but if Ikari is less than a week old, it may be better to spend time on personality than visualization. It seems much more useful.

Agreed. Usually people do imposition later, when their tulpa already has a good degree of sentience

8:09 PM

You can still do it at any time, but that's just what I've observed

Yes, and it makes sense, because if the tulpa develops and decides to change their form to be more comfortable, you will now have to learn to visualize that instead.

@SkyeNet Yes and no. really what she wants is just switching without filling the body so we can spend time in the wonderland. not much imposition there so much as there is a temporary abandonment of the body

sorry?

That... Is essentially imposing to the degree that you ignore the body.

8:52 PM

I suppose the difference is that - the wonderland is imagination. "You" and "Your tulpa" are both in the body at all times, technically speaking. The difference is whether you are using it or not - so, if you are not using it and are instead imposing the daydream, that is the technical equivalent.

8:52 PM

It isn't a literal separation from the body, is essentially what I'm getting at, hah.

@Beckett I get where you're coming from but I tend to go on nice long walks and rant about shit and I feel like it would be easier to remember I'm talking to HER if I could see her, even just the slightest bit

Alright.

Since i just started like five days ago, whenever I force, my guy just sits/stands there and listens. I don't want to parrot, is the whole 'no movement at all' thing normal? Should I be forcing some normal, non-specific movement?

yes, it's normal to not feel anything at first. Tulpas don't just spring immediately into existence, and even when they do, aren't able to respond right away. Just keep listening/watching.

It is normal at first, yes.

wew.

9:50 PM

I must seem pretty funny asking these things.

9:50 PM

I'm just making sure not to fuck up though

9:50 PM

;p

It's not silly. Feel free to ask anything that you need.

Wew lads I think she's fucking with me here recently Talking over me when I ask a question, not when I leave space for it (edited)

9:53 PM

Maybe not deliberately, but we never had this problem before

yeah like, thoughts are faster than mindvoice, so she may be answering your thoughts like immediately

9:55 PM

you can like, ask her to wait until you've finished speaking if it bothers you

9:55 PM

in alternative you can get to communicate with her in tulpish (ie. concepts, raw thought) directly

that sounds like it could be very tough to master

Unfortunately, all the advice i can give is believe believe believe. Love your tulpa, believe they exist, and so it shall come to pass

10:00 PM

Doubt is the mindkiller

10:03 PM

Toxicity, Tulpae read intent over everything. they can read your question/thoughts almost the moment that you concieve of them. that's normal, at least in my experience

@Deleted User You could ask her to give you a second to allow you time to understand and respond appropriately.

is that accurate with the rest of you?

10:09 PM

at least vaguely?

yeah, in both directions.

how in both? if you don't mind explaining

as in, I can read her thoughts, and she can read mine.

so can we all. not the point.

err... what was the point then?

i'm sorry. i overstepped myself

I am very lost in this conversation.

that is my fault

10:19 PM

i apologise

10:19 PM

i overcomplicated an otherwise simple solution

Alright.

Is it generally easier to talk to your tulpa while asleep?

No.

Why's that the case?

10:54 PM

I imagine being lucid would help.